Oroligt i Grekland

[MjW]

Sorry for the double post some mod could edit this.

Ursprungligen postat av Peter

Please inform me:
1. How does anarchy hold the system together?
2. Who is planning, deciding and organizing what privat bussineses, banks and public property to destroy? To what purpose?
3. Your source?

Greker är passionerade. I många frågor, och speciellt när det gäller politik. Det har funnits ett stort missnöje i Grekland med många saker under lång tid. Stora invandrargrupper mot hur de behandlas. Sociala- och lönefrågor mm.

Om jag förstår det hela rätt så har det kokat rätt duktigt under ytan under lång tid. Innan dödsskjutningen hade det varit rätt spänt på vissa håll pga Greklands invandringspolitik vad gäller uppehåll- och arbetstillstånd. Det har gått till handgripligheter.

Jag tror den tragiska dödsskjutningen helt enkelt blev en utlösande faktor, eller ursäkt, för ett flertal grupper att på detta meningslösa sätt visa sitt missnöje.

Just att det hela spred sig så snabbt till andra ställen över hela Grekland tyder på ett omfattande missnöje. Inte på att det är organiserat.

Jag tänker inte diskutera det vidare, för denna fråga är så komplicerad att man kan inte sitta här uppe i Norden och få överblick eller komplett information. Därför kan man inte heller dra korrekta slutsatser. Bara spekulera.

Jag är mest nyfiken på MrW:s svar!

Well kind of anarchy since this is how the TV news present the students who protest. Firstly they are students and then they become irresponsible masked anarchists that destroy public property.

This practice takes the focus away from the high taxes, the worthless government, the big scandals such as the recent Siemens and Vatopaidi monastery scandals. It takes the focus away from the police brutality on students and a while back the brutality on senior citizens that were protesting. Things are out of control, the people are fed up and they wouldn't want a revolution type of reaction.

In example I live in greece I have 2 kids and I work all day long 7 days a week to pay my depts to the banks and to send my kids to the university a rather typical low-middleclass family story. And in all this confusion they burn down my store. What am I going to think first? The scandals? the brutality? the unfairness and the stupendous mistakes of the goverment against me or the fact that soon me and my family wont have food on the table and the banks will come for my house?

I don't know who is organising these things, obviously some that have big control and enough authority to do so. The destroying could have been random or could be not, the point is to change the headlines in the news and take the focus of the real problems away.

I have no source to give you other that the fact that I have been there and I've seen it and that I grew there thinking that this is how the world is, it took me several years after I left Greece and travelled for a few years in western and north Europe to realise that the world can be a better place than that and this is not the situation everywhere. Before that, it was my life, my daily life, I knew no better and this is why I understand the difficulty somebody has in believing these things if you haven't lived it or experienced it first hand.

But if you really want to see unfiltered news on what is happening in greece there you go, I got dozens more of these from every part of Greece:

http://troktiko.blogspot.com/
http://nonews-news.blogspot.com/
http://prezatv.blogspot.com/
http://taxalia.blogspot.com/
http://press-gr.blogspot.com/

And here is a video of the pictures earlier in the thread that somebody correctly commented that they could have been photoshoped. Unfortunately they were not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpw67wKdXE8

And here is one of the best shots that characterise the Greek Police. To bad the photographer got fired the next morning and I don't think they are going to give him any good references either.